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Lonny
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""And, as a thanks from me all the beta testers, software translators and other people who have helped me have received a free personal license a few hours ago. This policy will also continue in the future, beta test or translate the program and you will get a free license. ""
Guess I didn't help enough ? only because everything I noticed was already reported 
PS everyone get off his case, absolutely nothing unethical about the way it was handled,You should have known even I guessed this was coming,
and I'm the lowlyest of you all.(most) tech wise !!
If he had told us people would have been trying to bypass the 30 days months ago, >which is very unethical.< to even try.
Best regards To all
Lonny
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Total Posts: 7 | Joined May 2003 | Posted on: 2:24 am on July 19, 2003 | IP
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Mastertech
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Wow this came as a big surprise. I've been using JV's Regcleaner for ages. I've even spent time testing and submitting some bugs because I realized JV did not get paid for this program. However JV's Powertools while however useful they are not worth $30. I truely believe that the reason his program was as popular as it is was due to its price. It's one thing starting off with a shareware product it is completely another going from a freeware to a shareware policy.
I strongly suggest reconsidering this move. I'm positive that revenue could have been generated through advertising on the main page or a second killer app. Outertech kept cacheman free and makes its money off its other apps. A much smarter business move would have been to keep the regcleaner program free and charged for the Powertool's app. But you dug yourself a hole by starting off with the powertools program being free. I've been seeing this alot lately. The worst part was the complete lack of information regarding this change of pricing policy. With these decisions being made I can not recommend using JV16's powertools in the future. I will seek out alternatives.
Take Care.
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Total Posts: 72 | Joined Jan. 2003 | Posted on: 2:32 am on July 19, 2003 | IP
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EDR
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Lonny, you wrote:
"PS everyone get off his case, absolutely nothing unethical about the way it was handled."
Sorry Lonny, you are 100% wrong, and everyone in this thread thus far disagrees with you. Sorry Charlie.
JV, I know as well as you do, that MasterTech is one of your widest users, and recommends your product to so many users, as he installs JV16PT on machine after machine on a daily basis. You see what I mean in my previous posts - here is a potential Gold Mine leaving you on bad terms, he won't recommend the product, and you've lost more than you know.
If your product was priced right for a first release and/or there was a RegCleaner only version for a lesser price, he might recommend it to all his PC clients, and you'd generate at least some income from it.
Mastertech could have been an incredible marketing tool for you. I believe there is still time to repair all of this, and I know I keep repeating myself on this issue, but I really truly don't think you have any idea how bad this will get.
Gees, I should start charging you for all of my most valuable information that I've learned the hard way in the real business world. Clearly my time invested today alone on this thread is worth far more than $29. Lots of Love, EDR
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Total Posts: 55 | Joined Jan. 2003 | Posted on: 2:46 am on July 19, 2003 | IP
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Hmmm
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"If he had told us people would have been trying to bypass the 30 days months ago, >which is very unethical.< to even try."
So, while everyone else is TRUSTING jv to be ethical and honest, it would be just fine and dandy for jv NOT TO TRUST the very people helping him develop the program?!! Think about it dude.
"You should have known even I guessed this was coming"
And why should anyone have had to GUESS that this was coming?
"absolutely nothing unethical about the way it was handled"
Deliberate deception is ethical?
"I'm the lowlyest of you all"
Wrong here as well - only the second "lowlyest"
PS: jv still won't give you a free one, so quit kissing up... lol
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Total Posts: 7 | Joined July 2003 | Posted on: 2:56 am on July 19, 2003 | IP
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Hmmm
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I'm curious as to what the moderators think of jv's decision to keep us all in the dark.
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Total Posts: 7 | Joined July 2003 | Posted on: 5:15 am on July 19, 2003 | IP
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bluebottle
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Wow! What a tempest in a teapot.
You people expect free licenses just for writing to this forum. Ingrates! You got to use JV16 PT for free for quite some time and now you expect a handout when Jouni goes commercial. Cry me a river!
I've used regcleaner and all the PTs from version 1.1. It's been a good, free ride. Now it's time to put up or shut up. I say more power to JV16 if he wants a paycheck for all his hard work. I'm not going to buy it myself because I don't think it's worth 30 bucks; I'll continue using v 1.3. However, I'm not going to whine and complain about Jouni Vuorio's decision to sell his product.
And you, EDR, as a "software developer," should realize this and give the man his due. Just what software do you distribute anyway? Anything of importance? Get off your high horse. Either fork over the $30 for the new PowerTools or just continue using 1.3. But quit your whimpering and stop begging for a free license--you just don't deserve one, you pompous windbag!
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Total Posts: 11 | Joined Nov. 2002 | Posted on: 6:10 am on July 19, 2003 | IP
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anewuser
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Lonny wrote:
"If he had told us people would have been trying to bypass the 30 days months ago, >which is very unethical.< to even try."
Wrong again! It is not my case, and it will never be. Not even trying to bypass the 30 days limit, I will just use PT1.3.0.196
Hmmm, wrote:
"I'm curious as to what the moderators think of jv's decision to keep us all in the dark."
I guess they are friends of jv16 so they are either embarrassed or ashamed, take whichever you prefer. Or they "didn´t see that coming, either?" (btw, how were we supposed to see that coming if jv16 himself told us that PT1.4 was coming and that he was just waiting for the pics to arrive so he could include then in the final release?)
btw, did see the pictures used? They aren´t really fancy, and there is one that looks like one bare and naked butt, or it is just me? thank god I got rid of PT1.4 there were any new tools included compared to PT1.3.0.196 (I never tried the time limited version so I don´t have a clue about that specific version) not worth the 30 bucks.
jv,
redeem yourself (for your own good)
What a bittersweet taste you have given us, that´s a thing you don´t do to loyal user (I, myself, since 2001) and not, I know asking for a free license, I just feel betrayed. I mean, jv needs to make income just as anyone else, but the thing that pisses me off (as most people) is that he didn´t tell us a thing. He kept everyone in the boards anxious about the release of PT1.4 and all of the sudden he drops a cold shower in everyone´s back! Nice one jv, I hope you are not like that. I thought you were a nice guy  , ,
EDR wrote:
"However, as has been repeated over and over in this thread, it's the "secretive" way in which you surprised us all, mislead us, and didn't give us the opportunity to bow out before you started this major new version. In fact, you asked us all to write lists of features for you for 1.4, so you could decipher through them and find the most "desired" (or most marketable) features to sell.
And, via the course of events, it's nothing short of the obvious that you wanted all of us to help you find that last little bug or anomaly before commercial release without even telling us you were going to start charging. That is where the problem lies.
We feel used and abused! Really, we do."
I totally agree with you.
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Total Posts: 22 | Joined Dec. 2002 | Posted on: 6:30 am on July 19, 2003 | IP
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EDR
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Unfortunately for “Blue Bottle” he has missed the point – if he had actually read the thread ... no one disagreed with JV selling the product (I even support it and already stated this), yet even the blue boy has voiced that it’s not worth $30 - so he won't buy it. Interesting paradox.
The point was that the way the entire matter was handled was inappropriate and it seems the far majority agrees on this thread, especially Mastertech, who I admire. Seems like Blue Bottle is off alone in the corner, where he belongs. And, even Mastertech raised the issue of how this matter was handled, not just the $30 value. I too, have used the product since V1.1.
The other point, which I believe Mastertech implied as well, including many others in this thread, is that we feel that we did contribute by taking our time to write on this DEVELOPMENT forum. I own Ace Utililities, TuneUp Utililities and Norton System Works. Since I paid for those products, I don't take the time to enter any kind of DEEVELOPMENT forum to help those companies out with my bugs, suggestions or the like. I also own Macromedia and Adobe products, and both of those companies have forums, which I don't participate in either. It seems based on everyone's comments in this thread, the majority seems to agree that this is the common thought process - we contribute to JV's improvement because we knew the product was free.
Blue Bottle only shows his ignorance, especially when he’s the one doing the name calling, judging other people, and clearly riding the high horse with his rude comments and superior attitude. There is no doubt that he is floating alone in his blue bottle in the big blue ocean. Poor guy. Hecklers like him are always abound, we’re used to it by now.
And, last but not least, for Big Blue to comment on who does and who does not deserve a license totally shows his immaturity and "high horse" opinions. Sad. EDR
(Edited by EDR at 7:46 am on July 19, 2003)
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Total Posts: 55 | Joined Jan. 2003 | Posted on: 7:22 am on July 19, 2003 | IP
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clawso1 
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Quote: from Hmmm on 5:15 am on July 19, 2003
I'm curious as to what the moderators think of jv's decision to keep us all in the dark.
Well, I guess I'll have to break silence now. I knew sooner of later that someone would ask this question. I have been with the forum before jv16 PowerTools was submitted for public use (RegCleaner was still being developed) and have Moderated for about a year. In that time frame I have submitted bugs, suggested improvements, and Moderated the forum for a period of six months (While jv was in the Finland Military and didn't visit the forum often, maybe some weekends when he was free but very seldom) and have given a donation as well.
But I've learned in life that none of us will always do what others want us to do or think we should do, because there are many “Values” and “Standards” that we operate from. We can see this from the posts that have already been made and those posters feel very strongly about their position on each side of the issue. And business standards are not the same everywhere especially in the U. S. of A and to prove this I’ll call your attention to the Consumer Affairs Agency for consumer protection. So, I guess we all have to acknowledge this fact and allow for each other value systems as long as it doesn’t break the law--- you see this is a MORAL issue. Because (I believe) one thing is for certain, what ever we do will come back at us in a negative or positive way. But this is our “Freedom of choice” and we all have it whether we think the choice is right or wrong, if we didn’t we’d all be robots.
I really don't know what jv's rational for his final decision to go shareware, but I'll give some food for thought. Maybe, just maybe jv thinks that he has paid the forum community and anyone with "jv16 PowerTools 1.3.196 version. Because it is the last stable version out there, of course there is jv16 Powertools 1.4 RC version too, but I've read where some say they will re-install it every thirty (30) days to continue using it. But no matter which version they use it could be looked at from the perspective that it's compensation for all the input thus far.
I’ll close with this statement, since we all are apart of the “Internet-community” it will be seen in the future what the results of jv’s decision will reap. Also, I’m not angry or upset with jv because the forum is his and so is the software and he has chosen to do what he will (Remember Freedom of choice). And by the way I didn’t receive a FREE LICENSE either.
(Edited by clawso1 at 8:25 am on July 19, 2003)
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Total Posts: 1054 | Joined Oct. 2001 | Posted on: 7:32 am on July 19, 2003 | IP
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EDR
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Cal,
You worded your post well. It was kind and diplomatic. I agreed with all of your points. Yes, FREEDOM OF CHOICE is certainly a right, and I don’t think anyone is questioning that.
Please believe me when I say our posts are out of concern and to help JV save his ass and his reputation. I already own all the previous products I’ve mentioned, and have already posted how I use them, hopefully for everyone’s benefit. I even posted that after using all those products, RegCleaner typically only finds a couple more entries (4-5 at most) in another thread. During version 1.1, 1.2, and 1.3 JV16PT was my MAIN registry utility. But in the past few months when I found TuneUp and Ace … frankly, I don’t “need” JV16PT, and unfortunately for Blue Bottle, this is not a begging attempt.
I had no problem coughing up monies for those products, so $30 is not the issue. It's the principle, the secrecy and the delivery.
More importantly, I believe we would just hate for JV to literally piss away everything he’s gained over the years in a day or two. Truly, I can walk away with the most excellent registry software I already own, and the lack of JV’s software is not going to adversely affect my computer(s). We’re coming from a principle standpoint via these posts - not that we’re desperate and “need” that JV16PT, so are begging for a free license – please! Blue bottle, you can’t be serious! WOW!
People can make decisions that can affect them drastically in a single instant! We all like JV, have always admired him, his talent, his reputation and his product(s). However, to watch him do something so drastically against the norm (which the majority seems to agree, whether USA or not) seems like he’s throwing away all those things he’s spent years attaining. A good reputation and respect is not built in a day. Thus, while he has FREEDOM OF CHOICE, it seems we’re all suggesting he reconsider that choice in a slightly different manner.
He SHOULD still sell his product, absolutely! As I said before, it’s about time! HE DESERVES IT! However, it seems many comments on this thread are suggesting he reconsider the pricing model for this first version, and consider selling the RegCleaner by itself. There’s also many suggestions for him to honor “those that helped” got a free license.
I’ll close with this point, any SUCCESSFUL business listens to their clientele, whether free trial, whether paying, or not – period. All companies run surveys and polls to see what is in the best interests of the company. Perhaps JV should have advised everyone of the change he intended before develpment of 1.4 ensued, and perhaps he could have asked people how much they would pay for the product, whether in sections or full blows (i.e. RegCleaner by itself, PT for more, etc.). I bet if he had done this up front, the reaction today would have been much different. In any case, JV is getting lots of “survey” input already via this thread. You have to appease the majority or you lose – period.
While everyone’s comments on this thread are their free right of speech, even Blue Bottle - at minimum, JV should consider the majority’s opinion(s) and make some serious decisions and fast. I’m only saying this again, because I know where this will go for him and I honestly think while we encourage his new venture, he could also lose it all very quickly or take years to rebuild what he already has. EDR
(Edited by EDR at 8:40 am on July 19, 2003)
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